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lancialulu

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Why MOT's are important
« on: 28 July, 2026, 05:33:59 PM »
Put my 1600HF in for its annual MOT and it passed (but was told o/s/f driveshaft bolts were loose....).

Interesting as I always check twice when doing them up after hearing awful stories of folk being suddenly stranded without warning...

It must be 4 years or more since I changed the gearbox.... 

4 bolts were were tight (possibly took another 1/8th) but 2 were almost out.....

Benefit of MOT (not spotted last year....)
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Re: Why MOT's are important
« Reply #1 on: 28 July, 2026, 08:24:32 PM »
Hi Tim

Happy to second your view. I put the Spider in for its MOT last year and no issues apart from a comment that the front brakes were dragging slightly after application. On inspecting the calipers it looks like a seal was not 100% and there was a weep out of a breather hole in the dual chamber piston.

I had not felt any change in the brakes at the time.

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Re: Why MOT's are important
« Reply #2 on: 28 July, 2026, 09:15:28 PM »
The MoT test exemption for classics is the worst idea ever based on idiotic logic.
As you both have eluded to it always pays to have an indepndant check every year even if it's not legally neccessary
I know of a guy that runs around in a Triumph Herald that is akin to the Flintsones mobile, and what is still there is held together by pop rivetts and gaffer tape! Merely saying it's up to the owner to ensure roadworthiness is such a grey area as to be pointless, the owner could easily argue that it has been roadworthy as he's been using it for years!

As a former tester I have often had this conversation with the DVSA representative and whilst I can see that modern garages with younger testers may not be familiar with the curiosities of our older classics there was no need to completley abandon the process.
My own view is that it should have been downgraded to a seperate class of MoT in line with the classic status of the 40 year and older free road tax.
So you would then need a "classic" Mot test rather than a full regular test. In fact it would have been easier to say anything pre 1995 would be called a classic as then it would predate the cat test and make things much simpler with regards to emissions testing, anything before say Jan 1st 1995 would be considered a classic and exempt from that part. Likewise cars before then were unlikely to have items such as ABS and airbags etc so less electrical items to check, EML for example wasn't really a mainstream thing back then although there were a few creeping in from the likes of Volvo.
The test would be a simple affair, brakes checked with a decelerometer rather than in rollers, checks for the lights and tyres, make sure the suspension is in decent enough order, a corrosion check and that would about do it.
Crucially garages could opt out if their staff felt they were confused with classics, like the amount of free play in suspension on older cars that they are not used to seeing (an argument put to me for not doing a test!) so only testing stations faimilar and sympathetic with our cars would do them, which after all is where we go anyway. It would be simpler and therefore could be charged less, say a RRP of £30 which is enough for garages to want to do them for the half hour it would take rather than allowing nearer an hour, plus what garage that likes dealing with classics wouldn't want to offer the service as undoubtedly it would lead to further work once a customer becomes happy that they've found a place that treats them and their pride and joy with respect.
And as the guys have already said, the peace of mind that someone else has cast an eye over the car is well worth it. Wouldn't we all rather know of an impending failure?
Never has made sense to me, apart from the cynical view that it was done to get us older car drivers off the road if there became a spate of serious injuries with unsafe cars. But therein lies the answer I guess, the fact that there hasn't been a spate of crashes means maybe the system is working and most people get the cars checked anyway....
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Re: Why MOT's are important
« Reply #3 on: 29 July, 2026, 06:16:01 AM »
Agree wholeheartedly.  As may be seen now in the mandatory and costly kit that must be fitted to a new car if it is to be legally offered for sale, common sense has taken a back seat (maybe not any seat!) and big brother is there instead, so the chances of a sensible MOT regime being introduced for the 40 plussers is remote.

I am fortunate that the local MOT garage I use is run by a proprietor who has his own classic. This year   (I don't adhere to a strict 12 month schedule) he gave me a clean one despite having to work at getting it through the handbrake test. It should have been an advisory really but he just said to me "I know you'll get it fixed", which now I have done.

There is another important point and that is insurance. If one was to have a collision in an MOT exempt vehicle that was patently not "roadworthy", you might find the insurance to be invalidated.
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Re: Why MOT's are important
« Reply #4 on: 29 July, 2026, 09:11:04 AM »
I also take the view that an annual test is essential. Just for this scenario...

Oops, hello Mr Insurance, just had a bump, my fault, hurt someone badly....
Hello Mr Policy Holder, was your car roadworthy?
Yes, it had a valid MOT.( all's okay, policy okay) or
Yes, but I can't prove it and it didn't need an MOT as a classic. (Investigation starts, brake light out (for example) and policy voided....)

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Re: Why MOT's are important
« Reply #5 on: 29 July, 2026, 10:35:49 AM »
MOTs (Revisione) are still mandatory in Italy for old cars.
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Re: Why MOT's are important
« Reply #6 on: 29 July, 2026, 11:08:24 AM »
Your explanation is very cogent Kevin. Have you ever had input to the FBHVC on this?

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Re: Why MOT's are important
« Reply #7 on: 29 July, 2026, 12:39:53 PM »
for me its £50 for peace of mind , my safety and everyone elses , shocks me how many people i hear on old car forums saying "it doesn't matter its mot exempt" and laughing about it , i've taken cars for test and had problems highlighted, cars standing suffer , my appia failed a test on a seized rear wheel cylinder , my old augusta failed on a brake flexi hose , personally i'd rather know and agree that mot exempt is stupid
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Re: Why MOT's are important
« Reply #8 on: 31 July, 2026, 09:27:45 AM »
I agree with the desirability of a checkover (perhaps not annually,  but on a "years or miles"basis), but  I have in the past been pulled up on:

leaking brake pipe on a cable-braked car ( it was a central chassis lubrication pipe which admittedly weeped some grease)
Seized brakes: tester had jammed the brakes on with a piece of wood between pedal and seat, and was dismayed that the front wheels did not turn)

So there needs to be a level of competence and understanding. That said, testers do have a talent for spotting what you don't.  And I never had a problem getting a pass on my vintage Trojan, on which the parking brake was just that - a perfectly efficient parking brake - and would never have passed the modern handbrake test, even when new. ("That'll never work, I'll look the other way for a moment as long as it holds properly when parked up")

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Re: Why MOT's are important
« Reply #9 on: 31 July, 2026, 09:46:06 PM »
All valid points but I would ad caution to the every other year check.
Rubber components can degrade rapidly especially fuel pipes, one year they look fine and months later they can perish. Same goes for tyres, worse for vehicles that don't do a lot of miles and have sunlight on them, sidewalls degrade is parked in one spot.

A degree of common sense is sometimes not exhibited by testers as you found with your cable braked car, if it were me and that was presented without an obvious reason for a "leak" then it's perfectly acceptable, recomended even for the tester to speak to the vehicle presenter on any item that is "non standard" to decide if there is an issue. Personally my method would be to come and find you and ask about it, nobody can know everything abot every car so there's no shame in asking.

With regards to the tester wedging the brake pedal down that is a required element of the MoT test so brake pipes/connections can be checked for leaks and the rubber hoses be checked for bulges. With 2 man testing the assiatnt inside the car would be asked to press the brake for the same reason. I once failed a concourse winning split 'screen VW camper which had had a relatively recent very expensive restoration despite the teases of "you won't find anything on that" there was quite a bulge on one of the brake flexi-hoses when the pedal was pressed, this happens due to internal delamination where the pressure inner sleeve splits and the outer reinforced coatings try and absorb the high pressure.

Testers don't have an easy task, I don't miss it really. A typical day could include a rotten builders Transit van followed by a first test on a 3 year old lease car (not often the quick pass either, 3 years with minimal servicing often leaves problems), thena new fangled electric car and if you think old classics have odd ways try doing a Tesla or an E-tron AUDI... then maybe a car thats only done a few hundred miles since last test, or a young mum with a wreck that hardly gets a spanner on it.
All the while you have to try and know everything about every model and be fair to every owner. Not easy. Failing the idiot who brings his car in with clearly illegally spaced digits on his number plate then be threatenned because you've followed the rules, all in a days work. As I say, I don't miss it.

My own view as someone who has worked in garages for 40+ years and started out welding Austin Maxis and Cortinas is that it should be yearly independant of mileage, the very basic of checks and optional so modern garages where the cars are twice as old as the tester don't have to do them.
With all my experience and a qualified tester of class 4 & 7 vehicles I still will get an indpendant test done on my classics.
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